Comments on: The Delicate Balance of Participatory Media http://publishing2.com/2006/11/04/the-delicate-balance-of-participatory-media/ The (r)Eevolution of Media Tue, 22 Jun 2010 09:23:32 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Balancing Participatory Media « Brew7’s Weblog http://publishing2.com/2006/11/04/the-delicate-balance-of-participatory-media/comment-page-1/#comment-375241 Balancing Participatory Media « Brew7’s Weblog Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:42:46 +0000 http://publishing2.com/2006/11/04/the-delicate-balance-of-participatory-media/#comment-375241 [...] find it interesting that Scott Karp calls out Digg in his article The Delicate Balance of Participatory Media, for not listening to the community. He even references another article in which Tony Hung states: [...] [...] find it interesting that Scott Karp calls out Digg in his article The Delicate Balance of Participatory Media, for not listening to the community. He even references another article in which Tony Hung states: [...]

]]> By: Participative Media « The Digital Society Blog http://publishing2.com/2006/11/04/the-delicate-balance-of-participatory-media/comment-page-1/#comment-133312 Participative Media « The Digital Society Blog Tue, 22 May 2007 12:15:00 +0000 http://publishing2.com/2006/11/04/the-delicate-balance-of-participatory-media/#comment-133312 [...] discussions on journalistic standards. Scott Karp looks at the problems digg is facing in his delicate balance posting. Democratization of content means a loss of control for the editors and by extension [...] [...] discussions on journalistic standards. Scott Karp looks at the problems digg is facing in his delicate balance posting. Democratization of content means a loss of control for the editors and by extension [...]

]]> By: The Democracy of System Gaming » Wisdump http://publishing2.com/2006/11/04/the-delicate-balance-of-participatory-media/comment-page-1/#comment-29932 The Democracy of System Gaming » Wisdump Fri, 10 Nov 2006 05:17:39 +0000 http://publishing2.com/2006/11/04/the-delicate-balance-of-participatory-media/#comment-29932 [...] Scott Karp makes an excellent point about Digg and gaming when he examines the same situation. [...] [...] Scott Karp makes an excellent point about Digg and gaming when he examines the same situation. [...]

]]> By: Game Tycoon»Blog Archive » Articles of Interest http://publishing2.com/2006/11/04/the-delicate-balance-of-participatory-media/comment-page-1/#comment-28661 Game Tycoon»Blog Archive » Articles of Interest Tue, 07 Nov 2006 00:25:18 +0000 http://publishing2.com/2006/11/04/the-delicate-balance-of-participatory-media/#comment-28661 [...] Via Publishing 2.0, news of digg.com-related controversy. The popular news site, in an effort to stifle abuse, now attempts to neutralize “voting blocks”, which has apparently decreased the influence of some of the site’s more popular users. Something worth following if you’re interested in UGC or online communities in general. [...] [...] Via Publishing 2.0, news of digg.com-related controversy. The popular news site, in an effort to stifle abuse, now attempts to neutralize “voting blocks”, which has apparently decreased the influence of some of the site’s more popular users. Something worth following if you’re interested in UGC or online communities in general. [...]

]]> By: RyanUnderdown.com - » Digg Changes Bearing Fruit http://publishing2.com/2006/11/04/the-delicate-balance-of-participatory-media/comment-page-1/#comment-28506 RyanUnderdown.com - » Digg Changes Bearing Fruit Mon, 06 Nov 2006 15:11:09 +0000 http://publishing2.com/2006/11/04/the-delicate-balance-of-participatory-media/#comment-28506 [...] Additional reading on the problems over at Digg can be found here, here, and here [...] [...] Additional reading on the problems over at Digg can be found here, here, and here [...]

]]> By: Karl http://publishing2.com/2006/11/04/the-delicate-balance-of-participatory-media/comment-page-1/#comment-28355 Karl Mon, 06 Nov 2006 03:34:57 +0000 http://publishing2.com/2006/11/04/the-delicate-balance-of-participatory-media/#comment-28355 Don't typically comment to say yeah, I agree with ya, but, yeah, I agree with ya. These are hurdles that all social, participatory media have to face and I think you've nailed the crux of it here "The challenge for media companies is to find the right balance between participation and control, outsourcing and editorial guidance, openness and order.". That's precisely why I've defended the Slashdot model, in the face of the Digg model, because there is room enough for both approaches - any one service will need to find its own way to deal with that friction. As a Perl hacker would say - there is more than one way to do it. Don’t typically comment to say yeah, I agree with ya, but, yeah, I agree with ya.

These are hurdles that all social, participatory media have to face and I think you’ve nailed the crux of it here “The challenge for media companies is to find the right balance between participation and control, outsourcing and editorial guidance, openness and order.”.

That’s precisely why I’ve defended the Slashdot model, in the face of the Digg model, because there is room enough for both approaches – any one service will need to find its own way to deal with that friction.

As a Perl hacker would say – there is more than one way to do it.

]]> By: E. David Zotter http://publishing2.com/2006/11/04/the-delicate-balance-of-participatory-media/comment-page-1/#comment-28301 E. David Zotter Sun, 05 Nov 2006 23:33:35 +0000 http://publishing2.com/2006/11/04/the-delicate-balance-of-participatory-media/#comment-28301 I love it. The script kiddies are making trouble for the dark tipper (i.e. mr. wanna-be hacker himself…kevin rose). Secondly, Hey Kevin..you’re not able to manipulate the standings on a whim anymore. As an end user I was getting a little tired of reading Kevin Rose self promotion hype from third parties. Everyone is watching now… the fake weighting can’t go on my friends. Kevin & co. are spending all kinds of time sculpting the frontpage and manually balancing content for the 99% of users that only watch and don't participate. Seriously, how many techtv tss content from yesteryear is being rehashed to the frontpage? No more promotion of LEO, okay? Digg is dead, I’m going to invest my time making someone else a web 2.0 millionaire… someone that cares about the community, not just themselves. Regards, E. David Zotter I love it. The script kiddies are making trouble for the dark tipper (i.e. mr. wanna-be hacker himself…kevin rose).

Secondly, Hey Kevin..you’re not able to manipulate the standings on a whim anymore. As an end user I was getting a little tired of reading Kevin Rose self promotion hype from third parties. Everyone is watching now… the fake weighting can’t go on my friends.

Kevin & co. are spending all kinds of time sculpting the frontpage and manually balancing content for the 99% of users that only watch and don’t participate. Seriously, how many techtv tss content from yesteryear is being rehashed to the frontpage? No more promotion of LEO, okay?

Digg is dead, I’m going to invest my time making someone else a web 2.0 millionaire… someone that cares about the community, not just themselves.

Regards,
E. David Zotter

]]> By: howardowens.com: media blog » Blog Archive » Balance in participatory media http://publishing2.com/2006/11/04/the-delicate-balance-of-participatory-media/comment-page-1/#comment-28200 howardowens.com: media blog » Blog Archive » Balance in participatory media Sun, 05 Nov 2006 16:04:23 +0000 http://publishing2.com/2006/11/04/the-delicate-balance-of-participatory-media/#comment-28200 [...] Scott Karp deals thoughtfully with the balance between publisher control and user control in participatory media. [...] [...] Scott Karp deals thoughtfully with the balance between publisher control and user control in participatory media. [...]

]]> By: Webomatica http://publishing2.com/2006/11/04/the-delicate-balance-of-participatory-media/comment-page-1/#comment-28199 Webomatica Sun, 05 Nov 2006 15:56:43 +0000 http://publishing2.com/2006/11/04/the-delicate-balance-of-participatory-media/#comment-28199 Maybe they are betting that more users are better than few "cliquey" users. Maybe they are betting that more users are better than few “cliquey” users.

]]> By: Hey Kevin — what’s with the silent treatment? » Mathew Ingram: mathewingram.com/work http://publishing2.com/2006/11/04/the-delicate-balance-of-participatory-media/comment-page-1/#comment-28186 Hey Kevin — what’s with the silent treatment? » Mathew Ingram: mathewingram.com/work Sun, 05 Nov 2006 14:53:23 +0000 http://publishing2.com/2006/11/04/the-delicate-balance-of-participatory-media/#comment-28186 [...] with del.icio.us   |   Email this entry   |   TrackBack URI   |   Digg it   |   Track with co.mments   |     |   Cosmos Click here forcopyright permissions! Copyright 2006 Mathew Ingram [...] [...] with del.icio.us   |   Email this entry   |   TrackBack URI   |   Digg it   |   Track with co.mments   |     |   Cosmos Click here forcopyright permissions! Copyright 2006 Mathew Ingram [...]

]]> By: robhyndman.com » Blog Archive » Crowdsourcing News: What Happens When the News Really Matters? http://publishing2.com/2006/11/04/the-delicate-balance-of-participatory-media/comment-page-1/#comment-28162 robhyndman.com » Blog Archive » Crowdsourcing News: What Happens When the News Really Matters? Sun, 05 Nov 2006 13:42:06 +0000 http://publishing2.com/2006/11/04/the-delicate-balance-of-participatory-media/#comment-28162 [...] Reasonable people can disagree about what is ‘important’ - news about developments in city council, or news about developments in nuclear politics on the other side of the planet. My money’s on the latter, though increasingly the audience seems to be moving to the former. But it strikes me as troubling that the media are meeting the challenge from online competition, at least in part, by cutting resources, outsourcing reporting and focusing on conversation. It’s certainly true that there is much to learn from non-journalists on important news - even distant stories - the 2004 Tsumani and reports from Iraqi bloggers are good examples. What I want, though, in an age of increasingly secretive governments, the suspension of habeas corpus, the spread of foreign wars and the proliferation of nukes in distant corners of the planet, is Seymour Hersh, Sydney Schanberg, David Halberstam and John F. Burns on the story. When it matters, I don’t want pajamas media. I want someone with a Pulitzer (well, with the exception of Judith Miller, in any event) - or someone with a desperate hunger to win one - and all of the resources of a professional news organization behind them - on the story. Related Posts [...] [...] Reasonable people can disagree about what is ‘important’ – news about developments in city council, or news about developments in nuclear politics on the other side of the planet. My money’s on the latter, though increasingly the audience seems to be moving to the former. But it strikes me as troubling that the media are meeting the challenge from online competition, at least in part, by cutting resources, outsourcing reporting and focusing on conversation. It’s certainly true that there is much to learn from non-journalists on important news – even distant stories – the 2004 Tsumani and reports from Iraqi bloggers are good examples. What I want, though, in an age of increasingly secretive governments, the suspension of habeas corpus, the spread of foreign wars and the proliferation of nukes in distant corners of the planet, is Seymour Hersh, Sydney Schanberg, David Halberstam and John F. Burns on the story. When it matters, I don’t want pajamas media. I want someone with a Pulitzer (well, with the exception of Judith Miller, in any event) – or someone with a desperate hunger to win one – and all of the resources of a professional news organization behind them – on the story. Related Posts [...]

]]> By: Seth Finkelstein http://publishing2.com/2006/11/04/the-delicate-balance-of-participatory-media/comment-page-1/#comment-28098 Seth Finkelstein Sun, 05 Nov 2006 11:01:42 +0000 http://publishing2.com/2006/11/04/the-delicate-balance-of-participatory-media/#comment-28098 Bleh. Anyone who gets abused by one of the people running these sites finds out damn well there's class divisions. Pretending otherwise for marketing purposes is one of the most irritating aspects of the popularity-mining goldrush. Bleh. Anyone who gets abused by one of the people running these sites finds out damn well there’s class divisions. Pretending otherwise for marketing purposes is one of the most irritating aspects of the popularity-mining goldrush.

]]> By: Tony http://publishing2.com/2006/11/04/the-delicate-balance-of-participatory-media/comment-page-1/#comment-28008 Tony Sun, 05 Nov 2006 04:18:46 +0000 http://publishing2.com/2006/11/04/the-delicate-balance-of-participatory-media/#comment-28008 Hey Scott -- thanks for the quote. ;) I don't know if KRo has ever polled the community about what they think; with their command/control attitude towards communications, their completely opaque process at deciding what is spam, deletion of accounts (Remember AliWood!) and rejigging of the algorithm is the opposite of what "social media" is all about. Hypocrisy? Yeah ... that's what it sounds, like doesn't it? Cheers t @ dji Hey Scott — thanks for the quote. ;)

I don’t know if KRo has ever polled the community about what they think; with their command/control attitude towards communications, their completely opaque process at deciding what is spam, deletion of accounts (Remember AliWood!) and rejigging of the algorithm is the opposite of what “social media” is all about.

Hypocrisy? Yeah … that’s what it sounds, like doesn’t it?

Cheers
t @ dji

]]> By: Deep Jive Interests » Kevin Rose Failing Social Media 101 Miserably http://publishing2.com/2006/11/04/the-delicate-balance-of-participatory-media/comment-page-1/#comment-28002 Deep Jive Interests » Kevin Rose Failing Social Media 101 Miserably Sun, 05 Nov 2006 03:43:41 +0000 http://publishing2.com/2006/11/04/the-delicate-balance-of-participatory-media/#comment-28002 [...] I don’t want to debate the merits of the algo change because plenty of people have done a good job already. [...] [...] I don’t want to debate the merits of the algo change because plenty of people have done a good job already. [...]

]]> By: le blog de groupe Reflect--- http://publishing2.com/2006/11/04/the-delicate-balance-of-participatory-media/comment-page-1/#comment-28313 le blog de groupe Reflect--- Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000 http://publishing2.com/2006/11/04/the-delicate-balance-of-participatory-media/#comment-28313 <!--%kramer-pre%-->du système, surtout quand les décisions qui sont prises remettent en cause la valeur première qu'ils en tirent : leur (chère) notoriété. Voilà donc un très sympathique rapport de force qui vient éclairer un enjeu majeur actuel qui interpelle les services 2.0. Quand la notoriété est la valeur que retirent les utilisateurs du service, il faut que les règles du jeu soient claires et durables, faute de quoi la confiance en prend un coup. Or, les gens sont intelligents et savent construire<!--%kramer-post%--> du système, surtout quand les décisions qui sont prises remettent en cause la valeur première qu’ils en tirent : leur (chère) notoriété. Voilà donc un très sympathique rapport de force qui vient éclairer un enjeu majeur actuel qui interpelle les services 2.0. Quand la notoriété est la valeur que retirent les utilisateurs du service, il faut que les règles du jeu soient claires et durables, faute de quoi la confiance en prend un coup. Or, les gens sont intelligents et savent construire

]]> By: Canadian Blogs http://publishing2.com/2006/11/04/the-delicate-balance-of-participatory-media/comment-page-1/#comment-28660 Canadian Blogs Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000 http://publishing2.com/2006/11/04/the-delicate-balance-of-participatory-media/#comment-28660 <!--%kramer-pre%-->(which has a story about Gannett’s move here), and involves being open to contributions from……this morning, and read the cover story - The Internet Sucks.……to debate the merits of the algo change because plenty of people……seemed a little excessive — the company has been handed another $30-million.… <!--%kramer-post%--> (which has a story about Gannett’s move here), and involves being open to contributions from……this morning, and read the cover story – The Internet Sucks.……to debate the merits of the algo change because plenty of people……seemed a little excessive — the company has been handed another $30-million.…

]]> By: css_v_transe http://publishing2.com/2006/11/04/the-delicate-balance-of-participatory-media/comment-page-1/#comment-30369 css_v_transe Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000 http://publishing2.com/2006/11/04/the-delicate-balance-of-participatory-media/#comment-30369 <!--%kramer-pre%-->political system (supposedly democratic in nature), when two candidates are running for the same position, the one that gets his name out the best tends to win the election. They are gaming a system that we believe shouldn’t be gamed. Scott Karp makes an excellent point about Digg and gaming when he examines the same situation. If participatory media is all about community and the user in control, it’s not surprising that Digg is having so many problems taking a traditional command and control approach to<!--%kramer-post%--> political system (supposedly democratic in nature), when two candidates are running for the same position, the one that gets his name out the best tends to win the election. They are gaming a system that we believe shouldn’t be gamed. Scott Karp makes an excellent point about Digg and gaming when he examines the same situation. If participatory media is all about community and the user in control, it’s not surprising that Digg is having so many problems taking a traditional command and control approach to

]]> By: sources | Philly Future - Philadelphia Blogs - The News YOU Write http://publishing2.com/2006/11/04/the-delicate-balance-of-participatory-media/comment-page-1/#comment-30370 sources | Philly Future - Philadelphia Blogs - The News YOU Write Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000 http://publishing2.com/2006/11/04/the-delicate-balance-of-participatory-media/#comment-30370 <!--%kramer-pre%--> The Upside and Downside of Google’s Newspaper Deal 1 day 22 hours old Publishing 2.0 at Web 2.0 2 days 9 hours old The Delicate Balance of Participatory Media 3 days 12 hours old YouTube, Google, and Rumors vs. Truth in the Blogosphere 1 week 20 hours old If You Can’t Tell Whether Something Is An Ad, That’s Deception 1 week 1 day old <!--%kramer-post%--> The Upside and Downside of Google’s Newspaper Deal 1 day 22 hours old Publishing 2.0 at Web 2.0 2 days 9 hours old The Delicate Balance of Participatory Media 3 days 12 hours old YouTube, Google, and Rumors vs. Truth in the Blogosphere 1 week 20 hours old If You Can’t Tell Whether Something Is An Ad, That’s Deception 1 week 1 day old

]]> By: Rauru Blog http://publishing2.com/2006/11/04/the-delicate-balance-of-participatory-media/comment-page-1/#comment-32960 Rauru Blog Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000 http://publishing2.com/2006/11/04/the-delicate-balance-of-participatory-media/#comment-32960 <!--%kramer-pre%-->Google を見習って法務部門を充実させるのが急務だろうか。 ちなみに Publishing 2.0 の Scott Karp はまた面白いところに目をつけていて、曰く、コミュニティが本当に賢いなら、Kevin Rose は Digg ユーザのコミュニティにどうしたらいいか聞けば良いはずだ だそうだ。そう言えば以前の Kevin Rose は、abuser の発見・申告をコミュニティ有志にやらせようとしていたこともあった。結局それは破綻したということなのだろうか。 <!--%kramer-post%--> Google を見習って法務部門を充実させるのが急務だろうか。 ちなみに Publishing 2.0 の Scott Karp はまた面白いところに目をつけていて、曰く、コミュニティが本当に賢いなら、Kevin Rose は Digg ユーザのコミュニティにどうしたらいいか聞けば良いはずだ だそうだ。そう言えば以前の Kevin Rose は、abuser の発見・申告をコミュニティ有志にやらせようとしていたこともあった。結局それは破綻したということなのだろうか。

]]> By: Media Landscape http://publishing2.com/2006/11/04/the-delicate-balance-of-participatory-media/comment-page-1/#comment-40162 Media Landscape Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000 http://publishing2.com/2006/11/04/the-delicate-balance-of-participatory-media/#comment-40162 <!--%kramer-pre%--> The Delicate Balance of Participatory Media Posted in vizeds and journalism(t) . Closed <!--%kramer-post%--> The Delicate Balance of Participatory Media Posted in vizeds and journalism(t) . Closed

]]> By: 外部記憶 http://publishing2.com/2006/11/04/the-delicate-balance-of-participatory-media/comment-page-1/#comment-41154 外部記憶 Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000 http://publishing2.com/2006/11/04/the-delicate-balance-of-participatory-media/#comment-41154 <!--%kramer-pre%-->Principles for Ethical Contact by Marketers Discussion Draft For Public Comment」 11/10追記： 関連記事として 「ウォールマートのFlog（やらせブログ）事件にみるメディアとしてのブログ - nikkei BPnet」 「The Delicate Balance of Participatory Media » Publishing 2.0」 「J-CAST ニュース : NHKに取り上げられた 女子大生のブログ炎上」 （↑このニュース、タイトルだけ見てスルーしてたけど、そういうことだったのですね） <!--%kramer-post%--> Principles for Ethical Contact by Marketers Discussion Draft For Public Comment」 11/10追記： 関連記事として 「ウォールマートのFlog（やらせブログ）事件にみるメディアとしてのブログ – nikkei BPnet」 「The Delicate Balance of Participatory Media » Publishing 2.0」 「J-CAST ニュース : NHKに取り上げられた 女子大生のブログ炎上」 （↑このニュース、タイトルだけ見てスルーしてたけど、そういうことだったのですね）

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