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		<title>By: Guy Rosen</title>
		<link>http://publishing2.com/2006/12/08/a-digg-on-digg-has-become-meaningless/comment-page-1/#comment-304497</link>
		<dc:creator>Guy Rosen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 09:11:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott,

A year has passed since you posted this, but I figured I&#039;d submit my non-spam comment anyway :-)

I posted a follow up on this issue a short while ago, after a recent post by Muhammad Saleem. I&#039;d be honored to hear your thoughts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott,</p>
<p>A year has passed since you posted this, but I figured I&#8217;d submit my non-spam comment anyway <img src='http://publishing2.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I posted a follow up on this issue a short while ago, after a recent post by Muhammad Saleem. I&#8217;d be honored to hear your thoughts.</p>
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		<title>By: Michal Migurski</title>
		<link>http://publishing2.com/2006/12/08/a-digg-on-digg-has-become-meaningless/comment-page-1/#comment-40387</link>
		<dc:creator>Michal Migurski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Dec 2006 18:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sandra: that, and the fact that Reddit&#039;s lower popularity makes gaming it less valuable. I&#039;ve heard &quot;Slashdot Effect&quot; and &quot;Digg Effect&quot;, but never &quot;Reddit Effect&quot;.

Scott: that&#039;s true, and it depends on how the site is presented to those new visitors. The tyranny of the front page may lessen with each new non-techie user if they have the tools they need to find their appropriate niche area in the larger Digg universe. Every &quot;Digg This&quot; button on blog posts or news stories helps this effect along, because it leads new visitors to the specific story page on Digg rather than the entry page.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sandra: that, and the fact that Reddit&#8217;s lower popularity makes gaming it less valuable. I&#8217;ve heard &#8220;Slashdot Effect&#8221; and &#8220;Digg Effect&#8221;, but never &#8220;Reddit Effect&#8221;.</p>
<p>Scott: that&#8217;s true, and it depends on how the site is presented to those new visitors. The tyranny of the front page may lessen with each new non-techie user if they have the tools they need to find their appropriate niche area in the larger Digg universe. Every &#8220;Digg This&#8221; button on blog posts or news stories helps this effect along, because it leads new visitors to the specific story page on Digg rather than the entry page.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Karp</title>
		<link>http://publishing2.com/2006/12/08/a-digg-on-digg-has-become-meaningless/comment-page-1/#comment-40206</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Karp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Dec 2006 05:48:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sandra, yes, exactly, you said it much better than I did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sandra, yes, exactly, you said it much better than I did.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandra Thorman</title>
		<link>http://publishing2.com/2006/12/08/a-digg-on-digg-has-become-meaningless/comment-page-1/#comment-40165</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandra Thorman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Dec 2006 02:42:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott,
I think you&#039;re absolutely right - digg should remove the already meaningless digg score on each vote, but never will.

You also touched upon the fundamental problem with Digg&#039;s format: the stories simply get dugg to the top of the list.  All someone has to do is buy enough votes to get onto the front page - voila! Loads of traffic.

The number 2 site in the social news world, reddit, has a natural defence against this abuse because the front page is a constantly rising and falling list of links. For someone to really game the system, it would take a seriously prolonged effort of constantly up-voting the link.  It&#039;s why I think reddit is where it is today and with a spam-free front page.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott,<br />
I think you&#8217;re absolutely right &#8211; digg should remove the already meaningless digg score on each vote, but never will.</p>
<p>You also touched upon the fundamental problem with Digg&#8217;s format: the stories simply get dugg to the top of the list.  All someone has to do is buy enough votes to get onto the front page &#8211; voila! Loads of traffic.</p>
<p>The number 2 site in the social news world, reddit, has a natural defence against this abuse because the front page is a constantly rising and falling list of links. For someone to really game the system, it would take a seriously prolonged effort of constantly up-voting the link.  It&#8217;s why I think reddit is where it is today and with a spam-free front page.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Karp</title>
		<link>http://publishing2.com/2006/12/08/a-digg-on-digg-has-become-meaningless/comment-page-1/#comment-40090</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Karp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Dec 2006 22:58:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michal,

This is not a critique of Digg but rather a musing on whether elements of Digg are necessary for this kind of social media model. Once you get beyond the young male techie demographic that Digg has captured to, say, your average AOL or Yahoo news user, I think the inscrutability of the system is very much an issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michal,</p>
<p>This is not a critique of Digg but rather a musing on whether elements of Digg are necessary for this kind of social media model. Once you get beyond the young male techie demographic that Digg has captured to, say, your average AOL or Yahoo news user, I think the inscrutability of the system is very much an issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Michal Migurski</title>
		<link>http://publishing2.com/2006/12/08/a-digg-on-digg-has-become-meaningless/comment-page-1/#comment-40085</link>
		<dc:creator>Michal Migurski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Dec 2006 22:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re focusing too much on the promotion algorithm.

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Anyone coming to the Digg homepage for the first time would have no idea what these numbers mean -- even insiders, despite all the speculation on Diggâ€™s algorithm, donâ€™t really know for sure what these numbers mean. So whatâ€™s the point really?&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Everyone knows what those numbers mean: it&#039;s the number of votes a story has received from individual users. Of course, what you&#039;re questioning is the relationship between those numbers and the presence of each story on the front page, but that&#039;s hardly the kind of meta-consideration occupying the minds of every Digg visitor. I realize that as a media pundit/professional, it&#039;s *your* interest in Digg, but you are not necessarily representative of the user base. I personally find niche stories pretty interesting on the site, and as a reader I *don&#039;t care* whether they manage to cross the magic boundary or induce a torrent of traffic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re focusing too much on the promotion algorithm.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Anyone coming to the Digg homepage for the first time would have no idea what these numbers mean &#8212; even insiders, despite all the speculation on Diggâ€™s algorithm, donâ€™t really know for sure what these numbers mean. So whatâ€™s the point really?&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Everyone knows what those numbers mean: it&#8217;s the number of votes a story has received from individual users. Of course, what you&#8217;re questioning is the relationship between those numbers and the presence of each story on the front page, but that&#8217;s hardly the kind of meta-consideration occupying the minds of every Digg visitor. I realize that as a media pundit/professional, it&#8217;s *your* interest in Digg, but you are not necessarily representative of the user base. I personally find niche stories pretty interesting on the site, and as a reader I *don&#8217;t care* whether they manage to cross the magic boundary or induce a torrent of traffic.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Karp</title>
		<link>http://publishing2.com/2006/12/08/a-digg-on-digg-has-become-meaningless/comment-page-1/#comment-40074</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Karp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Dec 2006 22:00:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GreenLantern,

&lt;blockquote&gt;Yes, but the frontpage is the seperation between all stories and the best stories (according to digg users).&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes, and the value of one Digg for crossing that dividing between &quot;all&quot; and &quot;best&quot; is unknown -- I&#039;m not saying the Digg algorithm is not effective for surfacing stories that users value, because it clearly is for a lot of people. I&#039;m saying that displaying the number of Diggs as if they all counted the same for is misleading and that displaying then at all is perhaps unecessary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GreenLantern,</p>
<blockquote><p>Yes, but the frontpage is the seperation between all stories and the best stories (according to digg users).</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes, and the value of one Digg for crossing that dividing between &#8220;all&#8221; and &#8220;best&#8221; is unknown &#8212; I&#8217;m not saying the Digg algorithm is not effective for surfacing stories that users value, because it clearly is for a lot of people. I&#8217;m saying that displaying the number of Diggs as if they all counted the same for is misleading and that displaying then at all is perhaps unecessary.</p>
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		<title>By: GreenLantern</title>
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		<dc:creator>GreenLantern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Dec 2006 21:52:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, but the frontpage is the seperation between all stories and the best stories (according to digg users).

I&#039;m a member of other sites like reddit and del.icio.us, but it&#039;s hard for me to find a &quot;good&quot; story at those places.  I probably end up looking at 5-10 pages before I find one that is useful to me.  At digg, the members sort out the best stories for you.  Now I&quot;m not saying that bad stories don&#039;t make the front page, because they obviously do, but for hte most part I like how it works.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, but the frontpage is the seperation between all stories and the best stories (according to digg users).</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a member of other sites like reddit and del.icio.us, but it&#8217;s hard for me to find a &#8220;good&#8221; story at those places.  I probably end up looking at 5-10 pages before I find one that is useful to me.  At digg, the members sort out the best stories for you.  Now I&#8221;m not saying that bad stories don&#8217;t make the front page, because they obviously do, but for hte most part I like how it works.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Karp</title>
		<link>http://publishing2.com/2006/12/08/a-digg-on-digg-has-become-meaningless/comment-page-1/#comment-40063</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Karp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Dec 2006 21:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GreenLantern,

None of those stories would have made the long-term popular lists without having made the front page first -- cracking the front page is when the Diggs really &quot;count,&quot; if you will. Check your stats for your recent experience with Digg -- where did most of the referrals come from, the front page or the long-term popular lists?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GreenLantern,</p>
<p>None of those stories would have made the long-term popular lists without having made the front page first &#8212; cracking the front page is when the Diggs really &#8220;count,&#8221; if you will. Check your stats for your recent experience with Digg &#8212; where did most of the referrals come from, the front page or the long-term popular lists?</p>
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		<title>By: GreenLantern</title>
		<link>http://publishing2.com/2006/12/08/a-digg-on-digg-has-become-meaningless/comment-page-1/#comment-40043</link>
		<dc:creator>GreenLantern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Dec 2006 20:40:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think you can throw in a &quot;nonetheless&quot; clause on this.  It seems that you don&#039;t have an understanding of how digg actually works.

Look at this: http://digg.com/view/all/popular/thismonth
You can&#039;t tell me that the most popular stories in a month are based on nothing at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think you can throw in a &#8220;nonetheless&#8221; clause on this.  It seems that you don&#8217;t have an understanding of how digg actually works.</p>
<p>Look at this: <a href="http://digg.com/view/all/popular/thismonth" rel="nofollow">http://digg.com/view/all/popular/thismonth</a><br />
You can&#8217;t tell me that the most popular stories in a month are based on nothing at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Jared</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jared</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Dec 2006 20:32:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think removing transparency and digg rankings would probably cut down on a lot of gaming for status, but greatly aid gaming for spamming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think removing transparency and digg rankings would probably cut down on a lot of gaming for status, but greatly aid gaming for spamming.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Karp</title>
		<link>http://publishing2.com/2006/12/08/a-digg-on-digg-has-become-meaningless/comment-page-1/#comment-40014</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Karp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Dec 2006 19:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aaron, thanks for the clarification. Nonetheless, the value of one Digg for getting a story to the homepage -- without which it would never receive the volume of Diggs that drive the long-term rankings -- still remains unknown.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aaron, thanks for the clarification. Nonetheless, the value of one Digg for getting a story to the homepage &#8212; without which it would never receive the volume of Diggs that drive the long-term rankings &#8212; still remains unknown.</p>
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		<title>By: aaron wall</title>
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		<dc:creator>aaron wall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Dec 2006 19:19:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The top ones are the most recent, not the most popular. As time passes each listing moves down the page.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The top ones are the most recent, not the most popular. As time passes each listing moves down the page.</p>
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		<title>By: Gene Smith's Atomiq</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gene Smith's Atomiq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-pre%--&gt; A Digg On Digg Has Become Meaningless (Publishing 2.0) &lt;!--%kramer-post%--&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: arghyle</title>
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		<dc:creator>arghyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-pre%--&gt;  If your bored and just lying around on this Sunday afternoon, here are some links that might interest you:  When iPods Die Eboy Posters A Digg On Digg is Meaningless Insanely amazing housing  &lt;!--%kramer-post%--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--%kramer-pre%-->  If your bored and just lying around on this Sunday afternoon, here are some links that might interest you:  When iPods Die Eboy Posters A Digg On Digg is Meaningless Insanely amazing housing  <!--%kramer-post%--></p>
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		<title>By: MÃ©diablog</title>
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		<dc:creator>MÃ©diablog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-pre%--&gt;van esÃ©lyed, hogy megjelenj a NY Times cÃ­mlapjÃ¡n. Karp szerint tehÃ¡t a Digg nem forradalmasÃ­tott semmit, csak kicsit mÃ¡s szereplÅ‘kkel Ãºjra feltalÃ¡lta a hagyomÃ¡nyos mÃ©dia modelljÃ©t. HÃ¡t, ez Ã­gy elÃ©g lehangolÃ³. AdalÃ©k: A Publishing 2.0 korÃ¡bbi Digg-kritikÃ¡ja      3 kommentÃ¡r &#124; 2007. januÃ¡r 8., hÃ©tfÅ‘ &#124; EszkÃ¶zÃ¶k  &#124;  pollner  &lt;!--%kramer-post%--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--%kramer-pre%-->van esÃ©lyed, hogy megjelenj a NY Times cÃ­mlapjÃ¡n. Karp szerint tehÃ¡t a Digg nem forradalmasÃ­tott semmit, csak kicsit mÃ¡s szereplÅ‘kkel Ãºjra feltalÃ¡lta a hagyomÃ¡nyos mÃ©dia modelljÃ©t. HÃ¡t, ez Ã­gy elÃ©g lehangolÃ³. AdalÃ©k: A Publishing 2.0 korÃ¡bbi Digg-kritikÃ¡ja      3 kommentÃ¡r | 2007. januÃ¡r 8., hÃ©tfÅ‘ | EszkÃ¶zÃ¶k  |  pollner  <!--%kramer-post%--></p>
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