Comments on: It’s Not Citizen Journalism Or Crowdsourcing – It’s Just Journalism

By: Scott Karp - What is the effect of "citizen journalism" on news reporting?

Scott Karp - What is the effect of "citizen journalism" on news reporting? — Wed, 02 Apr 2008 17:03:34 +0000

[...] A whereIstand.com community member has posted evidence of the opinion of this public figure. Only registered users can vote on pending evidence. If the evidence is approved, the verified opinion of the public figure will be displayed. pendingEvidence that the opinion of Scott Karp is: Neutral”But we need to recognize the larger sphere that journalism now occupies and the larger group of people who are now acting as journalists — and we need to help them all succeed for the greater good that journalism” Posted on 3/18/2008 3:18 PM by MikeDApprove (5) | Reject (3) | My vote: None Karp makes the argument that "citizen" generated or no, the stories being published need to adhere to the standards of journalism. From Publishing 2.0: [...]

By: Remy Charest

Remy Charest — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 19:39:13 +0000

Journalism has little to do with the media, more with a practice of looking for facts and providing information that is as accurate and objective as possible. That can happen on a blog, it can happen in a fanzine, it can happen in a daily newspaper – or not.

Indeed, there shouldn’t be a proprietary right to the term, but there has to be a distinction between just rambling on and throwing out opinions in a don’t-confuse-me-with-the-facts-my-mind-is-made-up type of approach, on the one hand, and actually trying to make sense of the world around us and sharing that with an audience, on the other.

It has to do with being part of the “reality-based” community, as a Bush White House aide famously told a journalist from the NY Times. The aide was being condescending. Tends to explain a few things…

By: Introducing Publish2: Networked News » Publish2 Blog

Introducing Publish2: Networked News » Publish2 Blog — Wed, 15 Aug 2007 10:44:01 +0000

[...] everything that anyone chooses to publish — it is a definable, value-creating PRACTICE. And journalists are ALL of its practitioners, whether they call themselves journalists, whether they acknowledge the larger group they are now a [...]

By: My News India « Leicester Review of Books

My News India « Leicester Review of Books — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 09:10:32 +0000

[...] It’s Not Citizen Journalism Or Crowdsourcing – It’s Just Journalism, Publishing 2.0, July 30, 2007. [...]

By: links for 2007-08-06 « David Black

links for 2007-08-06 « David Black — Mon, 06 Aug 2007 01:27:30 +0000

[...] It’s Not Citizen Journalism Or Crowdsourcing – It’s Just Journalism » Publishing 2.0 “So we have “serious, traditional” journalism over HERE, and all this experimenting with “citizens” and “crowds” and whatnot over THERE.” (tags: internet participatory journalism citizenmedia language) [...]

By: Notes from a Teacher: Mark on Media » Tuesday squibs

Notes from a Teacher: Mark on Media » Tuesday squibs — Tue, 31 Jul 2007 18:02:08 +0000

[...] It’s Not Citizen Journalism Or Crowdsourcing – It’s Just Journalism. Scott Karp argues, in part, that the only modifiers we should be applying to journalism are “good” and “bad,” not “citizen” or “crowd.” Journalism is an act, not an occupation. [...]

By: Chris Westfall

Chris Westfall — Tue, 31 Jul 2007 17:01:13 +0000

I think Danny and Jeff got it correct.
It doesn’t really matter what you call yourself. What matters is the story. Write a good story that’s well reported and relevant, and you are golden.
I just happen to think that the traditional model of makes for better stories. Reporters and editors working together to put together a decent story isn’t exactly a “cult,” although sometimes it pays the same.

By: Michael Clarke

Michael Clarke — Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:28:47 +0000

I don’t know whether journalism is dead but I’ve always felt appending the word “Citizen” to anything was a little sinister. Always makes me think of Robespierre or Stasi apartment block janitors…

By: Jeff Howe

Jeff Howe — Tue, 31 Jul 2007 05:02:42 +0000

[...]I wasn’t planning on commenting on the news until I read a provocative post by Scott Karp at Publishing 2.0. In the title Karp declares: “It’s not citizen journalism or crowdsourcing—It’s just journalism.” Like hell, I thought, having recently decompressed from my own sometimes rocky foray into “crowdsourced journalism.” I knew it hadn’t resembled anything else in my nearly two decades of journalism. But Karp won me over.[...]

By: Bill Doskoch

Bill Doskoch — Tue, 31 Jul 2007 01:52:43 +0000

Myself, I’m looking forward to citizen paramedics in the forthcoming world of networked medicine. Hey, if you can put on a Bandaid …

By: K. Paul Mallasch

K. Paul Mallasch — Mon, 30 Jul 2007 22:55:49 +0000

I do think there’s a difference, though, in the ways people are approaching this ‘new new journalism.’ (Darn you Wolfe for calling it that too early. Heh.)

I like to call what I do ‘grassroots journalism.’ Makes more sense to me and better describes what I’m doing – a bottom-up, horizontal, people powered approach.

-kpaul

By: Steve Boriss

Steve Boriss — Mon, 30 Jul 2007 22:30:53 +0000

Journalism is dead. It was a cult that began in the early 20th century by Walter Lippmann, and its followers have believed in fantasies like their own objectivity, their infallibility in the use of the non-existent discipline of "verification" to deliver "truth, " and the "public's right to know," which was never anything more than the journalists' right to say anything they damned well pleased whether their employers liked it or news customers wanted it. The Pew Center is its church and Bill Moyers is its Jesse Jackson. We don't have a word for what will replace journalism yet, but we will soon. (Steve Boriss, The Future of News)

By: howardowens.com: media blog » Blog Archive » Good reporting is about being a good conversationalist

Mon, 30 Jul 2007 22:13:54 +0000

[...] would like to associate myself with the following remarks from Scott Karp: Many people in the news business seem to have a vested interest in separating journalism as it has [...]

By: It’s not "citizen journalism" » mathewingram.com/media

It’s not "citizen journalism" » mathewingram.com/media — Mon, 30 Jul 2007 21:29:55 +0000

[...] (which I actually kind of like). He says that what is going on at NowPublic is just journalism, period — or perhaps “networked journalism,” which Jeff Jarvis suggested as an [...]

By: It’s not "citizen journalism" » mathewingram.com/work

It’s not "citizen journalism" » mathewingram.com/work — Mon, 30 Jul 2007 21:28:12 +0000

[...] (which I actually kind of like). He says that what is going on at NowPublic is just journalism, period — or perhaps “networked journalism,” which Jeff Jarvis suggested as an [...]

By: Chris Westfall

Chris Westfall — Mon, 30 Jul 2007 20:35:39 +0000

Author – “Journalism used to be linear. Now it’s networked. It used to be in the hands of a few. Now it’s in the hands of many more.”
Orwell – “When there is a gap between one’s real and one’s declared aims, one turns as it were instinctively to long words and exhausted idioms, like a cuttlefish spurting out ink.”

By: It’s not citizen journalism - just journalism « The Content Factory

It’s not citizen journalism - just journalism « The Content Factory — Mon, 30 Jul 2007 19:42:17 +0000

[...] citizen journalism – just journalism Jump to Comments Now this I disagree with. A piece by Scott Karp argues that the ‘new wave’ of crowdscourced news is nothing new – it’s just [...]

By: danny

danny — Mon, 30 Jul 2007 17:31:17 +0000

Well said.

At Zimbio, we definitely still get tripped up by all the terminology. At the end of the day we consider ourselves a collaborative media company that tries to combine member and traditional media in unique ways (in our case, to create online magazines). But the key learning for us has been that our readers just want good, relevant articles, and nice pictures – the rest of this is basically just noise to them. If they like a story, they’ll stick around. If not, they’ll flock.

So the challenge – at our stage anyways – is in appropriately segmenting the marketing message and visual real estate between writers (who want to appreciate that their voice has influence) and readers (who just want a good read and can get turned off by too much of everything else).

It’s not always obvious to us how to balance this.

By: Techmeme

Techmeme — Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000

+ Discussion: Insider Chatter, reportonbusiness.com, howardowens.com, WebProNews, mathewingram.com/work, Publishing 2.0, The Globe and Mail, Associated Press, Mashable!, BuzzMachine, Lost Remote and paidContent.org

By: Pajamas Media

Pajamas Media — Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000

We’re All Journalists Now: Scott Karp at Publishing 2.0 wonders if there’s any distinction between “old” journalism and “new” journalism any more.

By: Pajamas Media

Pajamas Media — Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000

We’re All Journalists Now: Scott Karp at Publishing 2.0 wonders if there’s any distinction between “old” journalism and “new” journalism any more.

By: Crowdsourcing

Crowdsourcing — Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000

already built a sizeable user base, with 20,000 hardcore users helping draw over 1 million unique visitors a month. But God Damn I’m long-winded. This isn’t even what I wanted to post about. I wasn’t planning on commenting on the news until I read a provocative post by Scott Karp at Publishing 2.0. In the title Karp declares: “It’s not citizen journalism or crowdsourcing—It’s just journalism.” Like hell, I thought, having recently decompressed from my own sometimes rocky foray into

By: Squandrous

Squandrous — Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000

The future of journalism depends on collaboration, not silos and fiefdoms. Journalism with a capital J needs to maintain standards but it also, desperately, needs to evolve in order to thrive as in a networked media age.” – Scott Karp

By: RConversation

RConversation — Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000

It’s Not Citizen Journalism Or Crowdsourcing – It’s Just Journalism » Publishing 2.0

By: Richard's Blogosphere | Richard Eriksson

Richard's Blogosphere | Richard Eriksson — Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000

There’s only two types of journalism: good journalism and bad journalism [ma.gnolia]

By: Delicious Bookmarks | Just a Gwai Lo

Delicious Bookmarks | Just a Gwai Lo — Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000

There’s only two types of journalism: good journalism and bad journalism »

By: andydickinson.net online journalism,newspaper video and digital media

andydickinson.net online journalism,newspaper video and digital media — Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000

It will be interesting to see how the debate plays out. Hopefully hyperlocal and hyperpersonal will manage to avoid the “Guantanamo mentality” of trying to define and exploit audiences and give everyone pause for more reflection on just how it helps define our (hyper)personal and (hyper)local relationships